Yesterday it was pretty hot here, at least it was pretty hot for a day in the Bay Area and a rest day from P90X was much welcomed. I didn’t feel like sweating downstairs since I sold the family room floor fan off at one of our first yard sales and it was too warm upstairs to sit at the computer for very long. I made the mistake of attempting to play my The Sims 3 game with the room being so warm that the game crashed after only 5 minutes of playing. So what else could I do? That’s right nothing better than to check on some rankings. I decided to check out some of the sites that were ranking on page 1 before the Mayday update that I had listed last month as being lost in the abyss but to my surprise a few sites are slowly making a come back without me doing any work to them. One site is on page 3 for its main keyword and another site is on page 4. It was also surprising to see that a site that was not affected by the Mayday update and was at #11 last month is suddenly ranking at #2. But the best surprise of all was hitting $32.77 in Adsense yesterday.
There is still a lot of hear say as to how to get micro niche sites that were affected by the Mayday update to rank again. You have Joe Schmoo that says you need to add fresh content every week, then there is Above-Average Joe that says you need to back link, back link and back link some more and then there is Average Joe that says you need a combination of both. I recently read a post by someone on John’s forum where a guy stated that when he notices sites that are no longer ranking what he does is he adds another paragraph to his main page content which uses LSI words, I recommend using a software like The Ultimate Keyword Theme Extractor for this, then over the period of a week he will add a few pages of new content. Its unclear how many pages he means by “a few” but I would interpret that to mean at least 2 new pages. He then tosses a few back links with articles at the new pages. He did state he doesn’t do all of these steps at one time because he likes it spread out over a few days.
I have decided to try a method similar to this only I am going to add in profile back links. Yesterday I was checking up on one of my competitor sites that did not budge during the mayday update. My competitor’s site stood its ground. The content is average and the layout is that of an xfactor style site. The site is also only 2 months older than my site. I looked at the back links and it only has 70. 15 of those are ezine articles and all the rest are from profile back links. Obviously there is still much weight given to profile back links. So my plan is this:
Monday – Add a new paragraph (about 250 words) onto my main page, write 2-3 pages of new content, upload the new pages and ping the RSS feed.
Tuesday – Write 2-5 articles for ezine to back link the new pages
Wednesday – Create new accounts for forum profiles
Thursday – Ping and bookmark the articles that have now been approved from Tuesday (this is an easy day I’ll have to find something else to do this day)
Friday – Go back to my created profiles and add my links then ping the profiles
Noteworthy Tip For Preventing An Adsense Ban
A further warning on preventing Adsense account banning. A few days ago a member on John’s forum reported his adsense account was banned because his account “poses a risk of generating invalid activity”. The poster was using Clickbump’s theme and had the line of text under the title post. The general consensus on the reason for the ban was the possibility of the use of advertising phrases such as, “Find The Best Prices”, “Get Cheap Widgets Here”, “Buy Widgets At Discount Prices” and the like. I could see why Google would frown on these phrases when thrown onto a content site since our sites do not actually sell goods, unless you are directly placing amazon links or other affiliate product links then that would be ok. So I would suggest that if you are tossing around phrases on your sites to lead visitors to believe you are selling actual products but you are not, remove the phrases. I tend to use those types of phrases in titles and content but its usually along the lines of offering tips on how to locate or shop for good deals on product x, I never directly make it look as though I am offering “widgets on sale”.












The thing that john xfactor and his ilk have in common is their vagueness about things – “add a few pages of content” “toss a few backlinks at it” etc – if you dont state specifics, you cant be held to account, and can just use the argument “well it worked for me”… which is BS in my opinion. What works for one person WILL usually work for another. We are dealing with computers and bots, not some sort of voodoo or black magic.
Forget about adding more content and messing around with LSI (although these things are beneficial) I can tell you now, go out and build 1000 profile backlinks on domains with pr 3+, ping them, create rss feeds out of them, and ping the rss feeds. If the niche is low competition – i.e the top spots are amazon nextag etc with 0 backlinks in YSE, then I GUARANTEE you that you will hit top 5. How is that for specific?
Maybe I should write an ebook, at least mine would be full of specific advice that actually works.
p.s use roboform.
backlinks, rankings… dust…
being successful, being wealthy, being sexy, being what-they-tell-to-be…all dust
only true Love – that’s what matters in this life… pure love, no strings attached… shaking off this outer dust… finding back the real self… as is.. and opening the soul to this most beautiful and so painful feeling..Love!
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Have you been on the sherry again anton?
No.. 2 days ago I watched a movie about first love, and it affected me so much that I cannot work and sleep at nights, I’m suffering so much feelings and emotions now that it’s hard to express…
sherry may help t forget… and I thought I forgot and became more rude and wise than in 17..but no, this feeling will never repeat again but it stays for the rest of life
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True love… The Princess Bride?

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No it’s this one: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0153489/..
The song is so beautiful.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bqgJgLyr8Y&feature=related
and this one is also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUwo3VfC0Do&NR=1
Do you know of any software out there that will track down forum profile backlinks and automatically fill them in for you? I’ve seen quite a few xfactor style sites that are ranking high on page one for their chosen keyword, all they have have are several ezine articles and loads of profile backlinks, most are linking to N/A and PR0 sites though.
I do not know of an all-in-one software to do such a thing. I know you can find thousands of forums using scrapebox but then you have to go through and find out if the sites even have member profiles visible. This is why i prefer to purchase profile packets. Then you will have to use a separate software program to actually go in and fill in the profile info for you.
I am testing out sick profile maker at the moment which does include sites for you to post to and they update 30 new sites each month. They also have a forum where members exchange more lists.
Been using it for 2 months
nuff said…
I guess i should elaborate – its a great tool, but what you will find with sick is that you struggle to get many profile links on high pr domains (higher than pr4) due to the amount of anti bot measures these forums take.
Most of the link packets are pr 3 and below, and the 30 that sick provide each month, although higher pr, tend to be rendered
I still do manual linkbuilding to get those juicy pr4+ forum links.
Sara, how many sites do you have, if you don’t mind the question.
I have about 100 but will probably be selling some off in a few weeks. I’ll probably sell my lower performers, sites doing $5 a month. I just don’t have the time to focus on so many sites. I’d like to cut it down to about 20 sites.
Thanks
QOTD:
“But the best surprise of all was hitting $32.77 in Adsense yesterday..”
Sweet!
With the new profile feature on Magic Submitter, I think I might be throwing a few in…maybe…perhaps. BUT I’m still not sold on forum profile links – the Backlinks P.I. links experiment didn’t provide lasting results for me (until I backlinked with articles/content-based links using a small link wheel, all w/one spun article).
The other site I had that was “in trouble” that they linked for me has 48 links, about 45 from BLP, and that site is in position #183…it started at #198 on a good day.
Not impressed – these sites you are seeing w/hundreds of FP links, I’ll be they owe more to good research (on their KW’s) as well perhaps being pinged in the background (or something similar, you can set up your profiles etc. to be pinged randomly or at intervals using Bookmarking Demon or paying $15 or so for 6 months service at Pingler.com).
Anyway, apart from all of that, it’s a small and temporary boost. I’ll have to do some experiments of my own to see if they do any good long term, on more than one site or two.
Then again, Dan swears by them. =)
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My take on profile backlinks are that you need BULK – a few hundred wont cut it, and remember, if YSE shows a site has 200 profile backlinks, chances are it actually has 500+, maybe more, as YSE doesn’t like showing profile backlinks. Also, you need to keep building them, as the deletion rate will eat away at your numbers i.e forums will shut down, moderators will delete your profiles, forums will go no follow, forums will stop showing profiles publicly – I think about 30% or more of your profiles will be useless 6 months down the line.
You also need them on high pr domains, which means they will need to be created manually to get around anti spambot measures – tools like sick submitter are great, but the links they provide will be on low pr domains which simply do not get crawled deeply or frequently enough to provide much value (Although i do use sick)
I think they work very well, too well in fact, and I am sure that sooner or later google will find a way to completely devalue these links, which means another “mayday” type situation awaits many people in the future….
I think article backlinks are probably the safest bet, but you need lots of them too… so I am looking at things like niche press platinum – anyone used it??
That’s an interesting bunny-trail (niche press platinum) that I might have to check out, thanks for the idea, Dan.
You’ve made my point on the profile links: they’re SEO crack.
Just a little taste – see? Easy link. Add another…a few hundred…thousand…Whoops!
Did you see that? You’re back to a hundred – better keep that ranking….just a few hundred more….
You’re hooked, Dan. There’s gotta be a 12 step program for that…
The difference between articles and forum profile links:
Nobody will ever syndicate your forum profile link for you. I keep getting trackbacks from articles I wrote nearly a year ago, on the other hand. They pay you forward.
Profile links hook you, fast and cheap like french fries, only they’ll kill you in a heart attack (algo change).
I don’t know if you’ve read about blekko? SEO Book just posted about it – YSE is going away shortly, and blekko is going to be opening up all their metrics: how many backlinks, from where, etc, etc.
I don’t know what this will do to forum profile links, but I think if you’re profile link top-heavy, you’re just not fortified.
Anyhow – I will say that they are incredibly easy to use – but to add a few thousand in order to make it work? Not impressive.
And please don’t think I’m coming against you per se – I’m just not impressed with the results I’ve seen. They have the stickiness for SEO purposes of Teflon.
Why would I want to get hooked on them when I have to keep buying more link packets, which will get mass-spammed by Nukers and the like?
And why would I want to have the reputation amongst webmasters of being a trash bazooka? Not for me. Unfortunately for me: they’ll work.
But if I had a forum opened up and saw thousands of spammers joining – yeah, I think it’s a sucky tactic. Very un-neighborly.
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I created a site for a memorial to a friend who passed away and put up a simple machines forum for his family and friends to talk and support one another.
It worked great for a few weeks and then a deluge of spam came flooding in for teen porn, viagra, etc. Within three days I had 30 pages of posts taking over my memorial for a friend with this stuff. This was before I had any clue about IM and had no idea what the purpose was, but my God was it annoying!
An interesting side effect… Out of all the sites I’ve ever created, this site gained page rank the fastest!
Thanks, Ross – not that you were intending to, but that’s my point: these links aren’t exactly a good business tactic in that you’re trashing someone’s space.
I’ve had 500+ spam comments on my site, leading sometimes to horrible places judging from the names.
It is interesting that your site shot up in PR. Hm.
But how TACKY…
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This is the main reason why I do not think its wise to put all your efforts into any one back link method.
I understand your reasons for loving profile back links dan. I am not arguing that it isn’t effective, obviously it is or I wouldn’t bother with it. But it does seem a bit crazy to have to constantly replenish links lost due to forum owners getting “fed up”. I just feel that with all the time and effort one would spend on thousands of forum profile linking you could write a few articles and submit them to some high PR directories that will keep the links in tact years to come.
I still agree and feel strongly about mixing things up. It also helps with boredom. Some days I get sick of forum profiling and some days I get sick of article writing and submission. If I get burned out of those two things then i can move onto blog commenting or social bookmarking (even though that is fully automated thanks to BMD).
I am also curious about Niche Press Platinum. but I worry, looks a lot like The Link Racer only you can actually spin the articles. My concern is that at first the links will show up and then slowly get deindexed like some of the other similar networks i.e. Blog Blueprint.
Yeah I here ya – Im very wary of these programs – what happens if in 12 months time he decides to close down and deletes all the blogs content, your backlinks will disappear overnight, along with any rankings earned on the back of them.
I’m consistently running Rank Checker and what I found about profile links, that all my sites that I heavily backlinked with profile links, are ranking in Yahoo on top spots where google rankings are not so great.
google reacts well to link diversity – press releases, articles, high pr links, edu and gov, blog comments, forum sigs, even some reciprocal links with theme related sites. also .pdf submissions like docstoc, slideshare, video links
just several high PR links can easily replace month’s work on services like UAW and similar.
So, at least Yahoo still likes profile links

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